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The Lounge / Re: Favorite Fandom Activities
« Last post by CharlesRa on September 14, 2017, 12:57:51 PM »
I just love reading them, I'm not very good at writing them.
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Mixed Media / Re: Anyone else Game Grumps?
« Last post by FartsOfNeil on September 05, 2017, 06:13:50 PM »
Just updated to the latest one.  This month and the next is gonna be busy for me, which is actually good news for this thing cause all the stuff I needs t'git done is pulling me outta my slump.  Don't wanna make promises though...that seems to jinx it. :P
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Art & Photography / Re: The 'farts' stands for fanarts!
« Last post by FartsOfNeil on August 17, 2017, 11:28:00 AM »
Recently I got to have a guest comic for a pretty sauce webcomic called Go Get a Roomie.  So...that was awesome.

Oh and I drew this in response to one of the comments:



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Avatar: The Last Airbender / Re: Tech In ATLA?
« Last post by Wordbender on August 12, 2017, 02:18:13 AM »
As for the cold drink -- note that refrigeration isn't necessary to store ice. For centuries, ice was harvested during winters and stored in ice houses. Cities even had ice deliveries before refrigerators became widespread.

Yes, but in a place that is said to be hot all the time, it seems like refrigeration would be useful.  Do they even have winter in the Fire Nation?


They wouldn't have needed winter, either. Ice can also be harvested in mountains or transported from Fire Nation colonies. In medieval times, ice houses like this were used to store the stuff in warmer climates.

You're right about all those distinctions, but do they make a difference in terms of political power? Certainly within Ba Sing Se and the Fire Nation, but I would argue "not really" for the bulk of the Avatar world. Most people live in quaint villages where the wealthiest, most influential leaders have a strong sense of identity with the entire community. Given a huge luxury like electrification, it's hard to imagine an "I'll have mine, but you can't get yours because you're poor" scenario. This is partially due to the original series' generally lighthearted tone.

Yes, they probably made a difference in the NWT. Hahn was moving up because he was marrying a princess.  He even said he was looking forward to the "perks".  There is obviously something to be gained through betrothal.  In Hahn's case, it might have meant that he would be next in line as Chief.


Let me rephase: there are clearly political and social distinctions, but they make little difference in terms of how resources and technology get allocated to citizens. Again, look at Omashu; there's King Bumi, artisans, merchants, and all sorts of different social classes, yet their mail delivery system -- very spectacular, very efficient, and also very expensive -- still serves the entire city. Let's say Omashu suddenly discovers electricity. Would there be electrified neighborhoods and non-electrified slums? Maybe, but there's no precedent for that in the original series.

Now, regarding the newspaper tech...

Gosh, there's so little to work off of in the series, but I don't think any nation ever had "modern newspapers." For that, you need a modern printing press with movable type, which was not invented until the 15th century (the earliest newspapers came about in the 16th century). The flyers we do get to see, like the "lost Appa" one and the Ember Island Players poster seem to be based on woodblock printing, which was used for centuries in medieval East Asia. That's not to say ATLA-era periodicals are impossible, they would just be prohibitively expensive for anyone but governments to produce en masse. Maybe bending could help in some way.

Which is why they might have only circulated them to the wealthy people living in the Upper Ring.

The flyers they had printed up were paper.
http://piandao.org/screenshots/earth/earth17/earth17-13.jpg
http://piandao.org/screenshots/earth/earth17/earth17-69.jpg

So, not only do they have the tech to mass-produce print, but this service is apparently available to private people.

Woodblock printing is printing with custom-made ink presses, not printing on wood blocks. ;) Movable type is much cheaper and more efficient because you can print a different document by rearranging the characters instead of carving another block.


If you look at the Wikipedia history for movable type in Asia (fascinating stuff), you'll notice the works have much simpler designs than the posters we see in the show. I think the writers just weren't thinking through the printing stuff. I still say the Earth Kingdom didn't have cheap, mass-produced newspapers, but I'm going to hand-wave "regularly produced documents for the nobility" as "maybe."


Really, it's a lot of mental gymnastics to allow people to send fast messages to each other without changing the setting too much. :D


Maybe that's why Hawky was a throwaway joke. ;D
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The Legend of Korra / Re: The Legend of Korra- Turf Wars
« Last post by bassemand on August 09, 2017, 05:09:52 PM »
Well now that i've read the entire thing i can say that my initial response is pretty spot on.

The comic is sort of split into three parts. A romance part which i think is really bad tbh, it's seems really unsure about what it wants to say and seems to be inconsistent with what you'd expect from what we know of Atla/LoK.

Then there's the sub plots of post-Kuvira RC and Triad business. Weirdly i thought they did a poor job of making the bad guys seem unreasonable, in fact they felt quite reasonable to me, they just don't agree with Korra so they're the bad guys. Of course the true badguy might different. It's not super interesting imo, i would have liked some more focus on fixing the spirit stuff and Earth kingdom but it seems to me like those are put on the backburner, though spirits are related to a sub plot.

The Art to me seems really obviously to be an imitation. I know it's not Bryan drawing it, but it looks like fanart, and bad fanart at that. Every character just looks comepletely off, but atleast the colouring is good. The writing isn't much better, with some really weird scenes here and there.

Overall i'd say it's 3/5, and the romance part is just so out of place imo that i would rate that alone 1/5. But take that with a grain of salt since i really dislike Korrasami. It just feels like it could have been done way better in every aspect.
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The Legend of Korra / Re: The Legend of Korra- Turf Wars
« Last post by Loopy on August 04, 2017, 06:21:27 PM »
I think it's also a good idea to keep in mind that we're talking about a fictional character in a story, so discussing the matter of establishing that Korra is bisexual for the audience takes on a completely different nature than a discussion about how people identify and live as bisexual in real life.

This is a topic that people are very invested in, and criticism of the story is not necessarily linked to problems with the same subject in real life. That said, because it is a topic that is very important in real life, let's be understanding of each other and give the benefit of the doubt.
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The Legend of Korra / Re: The Legend of Korra- Turf Wars
« Last post by FartsOfNeil on August 04, 2017, 12:22:43 PM »
I'm surprised there isn't more of an uproar over what has become a bi erasure of both their characters so the Lesbians can claim them for themselves.
Isn't that part of a larger problem, how to write a bisexual character in a relationship? Especially one such as this where they won't ever break up (as long as it's still popular *cough cough*). I think thats where the "she's a lesbian now" jokes came from, the idea that Korra might just aswell be full blown homosexual since we won't see the bisexual side anymore anyway.

So if you are bisexual you can not have a steady relationship and have to constantly break up with each person you date to show your orientation is alive and well? That's a thing that those individuals want to see?

I am genuinely curious when people post these I'm-going-to-put-word-in-your-mouth retorts and think they're justifiable, because I see it so often and it very clearly is never meant to be anything more than antagonistic.
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The Legend of Korra / Re: The Legend of Korra- Turf Wars
« Last post by Nausicaa on August 04, 2017, 06:08:06 AM »
So if you are bisexual you can not have a steady relationship and have to constantly break up with each person you date to show your orientation is alive and well? That's a thing that those individuals want to see?

That's not what i said tbh. I just said/asked how would you portray a bisexual character without it getting old with them having to tell you all the time. I mean most people would assume a person dating the opposite sex to be straight and the same sex to be homosexual. So how do you inform the reader or viewer that the character is bisexual? Imagine someone who didn't watch LoK at all, they'd likely assume Korra and Asami to be lesbians unless the comic somehow informs them that it isn't the case. And mentioning it would be difficult without it feeling clunky i think.

I think it's a little harder to establish in a context where the term 'bisexual' can't be used- either because it doesn't fit the setting, or because production circumstances don't allow for the writers to directly use terms like bi, or gay. (Like a lot of kids shows recently that have started incorporating same-sex relationships, they usually have to skirt around directly saying anything about sexuality.) I think it's also a little more difficult in stories where the characters start out young, because there's not really room for them to have had many past romances that can be brought up. I don't think it's something that needs to necessarily be brought up regularly though, unless it's the kind of story where people are likely to hop on without having seen/ read prior episodes/ issues/ books whatever- like a soap opera, or long-running comic book series. 

In the case of The Legend of Korra, I think it's pretty clear that Korra and Asami are supposed to be bisexual (even if their relationship is poorly communicated in the show itself)- there's plenty of evidence that they were genuinely attracted to Mako at one point, and stuff like Asami going back to him in Book 2 is a lot harder to explain away if you start assuming that she isn't attracted to men at all. Plus Bryan's post-finale essay specifically brings up bisexuality.

Of course, like you say, people who only know of the Legend of Korra by reputation often seem to think they're lesbians, and so far the comic doesn't really  bring up their past dating history beyond a brief shot of Mako looking shocked. (Given that their friends only find out that they're dating at the end of Part 1, it's possible that Part 2 will elaborate upon that a bit.) Though, I think anybody reading the comic without watching the show is bound to be a bit confused by it- there's lots of references to stuff in the show.  And some people who have watched the show seem fundamentally resistant to the idea of bisexuality in the first place regardless of what the creators have said.

You get out! Mike would never retcon his own story!

Korra's too intense for me.  She needs one of those doggie chew toy chill pills or a stress ball or something.  Asami's pretty chill.  She's probably one of the least intense characters in the show, tbh.  They could balance each other.  If you put Korra with someone as intense as her, they'd probably blow the city up.

Yeah I feel like that would have been a better way of explaining their dynamic- Asami balances Korra out, rather than saying that she was super-intense all along.
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The Legend of Korra / Re: The Legend of Korra- Turf Wars
« Last post by bassemand on August 03, 2017, 06:12:57 PM »
So if you are bisexual you can not have a steady relationship and have to constantly break up with each person you date to show your orientation is alive and well? That's a thing that those individuals want to see?

That's not what i said tbh. I just said/asked how would you portray a bisexual character without it getting old with them having to tell you all the time. I mean most people would assume a person dating the opposite sex to be straight and the same sex to be homosexual. So how do you inform the reader or viewer that the character is bisexual? Imagine someone who didn't watch LoK at all, they'd likely assume Korra and Asami to be lesbians unless the comic somehow informs them that it isn't the case. And mentioning it would be difficult without it feeling clunky i think.
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The Legend of Korra / Re: The Legend of Korra- Turf Wars
« Last post by ahintoflime on August 03, 2017, 01:12:18 PM »
I'm surprised there isn't more of an uproar over what has become a bi erasure of both their characters so the Lesbians can claim them for themselves.
Isn't that part of a larger problem, how to write a bisexual character in a relationship? Especially one such as this where they won't ever break up (as long as it's still popular *cough cough*). I think thats where the "she's a lesbian now" jokes came from, the idea that Korra might just aswell be full blown homosexual since we won't see the bisexual side anymore anyway.

So if you are bisexual you can not have a steady relationship and have to constantly break up with each person you date to show your orientation is alive and well? That's a thing that those individuals want to see?

It's kinda questionable that Asami and Korra seemingly didn't know any of this history stuff. Like, did they not teach Korra about previous Avatars when she was held in the compound?

With how they've portrayed Korra after all this time,

Korra is 100% I-can't-take-you-anywhere-can-I material.

I am sorely tempted to say that she was allowed to make her own curriculum. People with less opportunities in the show are more aware of things and don't make so many poor judgements or conclusions.
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